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    10 year visa card ?

    Post by rugbyboy on 20/05/12, 11:11 am

    Hi all
    Can you tell me anything about a 10 year visa card . My wife has I L R as a visa in her pasport .
    She tells me her friend has applied for I L R and has been issued with a card with expiry of 10 years


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    Post by handyal on 20/05/12, 03:44 pm

    No! ILR means Indefinate Leave to Remain, with no expiry date.

    As usual with Chinese she probably has a 10 year passport which does have an expiry date and is getting this date confused with her Visa.

    If you renew a Chinese passport, keep the old one with the Visa and present both old and new when travelling. It's costly to transfer the Visa to a new passport.
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    Post by rugbyboy on 25/05/12, 10:56 am

    Thanks for information about visa. I will try to see this 10 yr card

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    Post by davidmckendrick on 25/05/12, 12:05 pm

    Maybe the new ID cards issued to immigrants have a ten year expiry like the photo driving license???
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    Post by makem on 25/05/12, 03:54 pm

    From 29th February 2012 the UK Border Agency will be including ILR visas in the new Biometric system which means that all clients will now have to have their digital fingerprints and photograph taken by UKBA officials before they will grant the visa. Please also note that the new visas will be in the form of an ID card and no paper visa will be issued in the passport.

    http://firstmigration.com/visas/uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain-ilr

    Sorry that link is to a charging service.

    The above applies to children whose appearance will change dramatically as may adults who change their hairstyle, lose fingers/hands etc.

    I cannot find a specific link but I have read somewhere that the card must be renewed every 10 years. That would make sense when we consider appearance changes.

    The biometric system is operated from Post Offices and there is a list on the UKBA site somewhere.

    According to the inforamation I have, first your wife applies in the normal way (we chose the checking service because apart from the post service they provide, they also copy everything and return the originals). The may even return passports if in future a card is being issued. They have a special secure service with the UKBA and the application is granted more quickly.

    After the application is received, a letter is sent to your wife telling her to have her biometric info taken at a Post Office and to use the barcoded letter as part of her ID. The biometrics are sent digitally. No need for an appointment but there are days which have longer queues for the 10 minute session.

    If anybody finds specific UKBA links I would appreciate having them.

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    They will instead receive a separate Biometric Residence Permit (BRP), which is a credit card sized ID card. There will no longer be any indication in the persons passport of their status in the UK. This means that the individual will need to present their passport and their BRP card together whenever they are required to prove they have a valid visa at the border or to a potential employer, for example.

    http://www.uk-wp.com/2011/12/06/ukba-announces-that-ilr-applications-will-be-biometric-from-march-2012/

    Applies to all, including work permits. Notice the abbreviation BRP, that is included in the new ILR application form.

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/settlement/brp/#
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    Post by handyal on 25/05/12, 05:40 pm

    Some links from the UKBA site:

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/modernised/identity/biometrics/biometrics.pdf?view=Binary

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/contact/enrol-biometric/

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/residency/brp-application-process.pdf

    As far as I am aware the Biometric ID card still only applies to certain Visa categories such as Tier 1 and Tier 5.
    They scrapped the idea of Residency ID cards for the Settlement Visa category 3 years ago and I haven't had any news or updates from the UKBA to suggest a change in this category.
    The vignette is still used for wives, husbands etc gaining ILR with no expiry date.

    I always post any news or updates I receive from the UKBA that I think may affect members. To date I have no news about 10 year Residency ID cards for the Settlement category.

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    Post by GBA on 25/05/12, 05:42 pm

    Thanks Eric.

    Very informative. UKBA stuff seems to be changing daily.

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    Post by handyal on 25/05/12, 06:05 pm

    Hi Rugbyboy,

    It would depend on which category your wife's friend has applied in.

    I suspect she has lived and worked here for 5 years in a Tier category and now applied for ILR. In this case she would get a 10 year Biometrics ID card.
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    Post by makem on 25/05/12, 09:50 pm

    GBA wrote:Thanks Eric.

    Very informative. UKBA stuff seems to be changing daily.

    GBA

    Yes, very interesting, but it is not coming in until after December 2012 for spouses!

    I thought ILR only referred to spouse visas and when I read that after 29th Feb this year a card is required I assumed it would affect my wife.

    Tonight Alan and I had a chat and it suddenly dawned on me that ILR refers to any application so what I read related to workers and not spouses until after December 2012.

    Cheers Alan for keeping me on the right road (again) lol

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    Post by GBA on 26/05/12, 02:06 pm

    WOW..

    I have ILR. I can and maybe should have applied for British citizenship long ago but didn't really see the need. That said i am here on the ancestral route. Do you chaps think this affects me?

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    Post by handyal on 26/05/12, 04:26 pm

    No. It doesn't matter if you have a vignette in your passport or an ID card.

    I suspect only new applicant will be sent for the Biometrics in the UK and be issued an ID card. Later it's possible they may offer the ID card to existing residents holding ILR as an option, but you will have to pay for the process.

    It would be impossible and far to costly for the government to trace existing ILR holders and issue ID cards FOC.
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    Post by makem on 26/05/12, 04:59 pm

    I am wondering if we can ask for a card and create a stink if we cant
    A card would ease travel in the EU - no visa needed, even if
    free.


    Han had her biometrics taken at Beijing and each UK entry means prints and pic.

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    Post by GBA on 26/05/12, 06:20 pm

    Thanks. Phew!

    I know a lot of people are anti ID cards but I for one am very much pro them. My opinion is that it would make things easier for me.

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    Post by handyal on 26/05/12, 10:04 pm

    Unfortunately the ID cards will be issued for entry to the UK, not the EU.

    Schengen Visa's will still be required to visit European destinations.
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 27/05/12, 04:05 am

    The objection I have to ID cards is the cost. Why do I need an ID card when I already have a Driving License and Passport. My wife has a passport, Photo Driving license and National Insurance Card. Why should she need an ID card too?
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    Post by HSV068 on 27/05/12, 05:06 am

    The ID card in Australia, actually went to a referendum, many moons ago, to which the vote was a resounding NO, in hindsight, it may have been a better system than we have now to establish your identity, seeing how easy things work here in China with them.

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    Post by 1234mil17 on 27/05/12, 09:00 am

    Hi HSV how do you find living in China,as i see you are fairly young to be retired Smile what do you do to kill time ,as i assume you are not working ,or maybe you doing a little english , which is what most foreignes do ? MIL
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    Post by HSV068 on 28/05/12, 02:46 am

    Hi Mil, back problem removed me from the workforce, played the month by month game with insurance, for 2 years, then decided to take early retirement.

    During this time I met and married Jin, she was keen to stay in China, and holiday in Oz, so now we spent 4 summer months home, the rest in China, for now anyway.

    We are quite involved with her family, which consumes lots of time, also keep in touch with my family, to keep up on the goss.

    The boys and girls here like to socialise, friendly bunch, so we do lunch on Wednesdays, and usually Sunday nights for a home cooked meal and a few beers, chat etc.

    Have been busy travelling the last 2 months, and am now in the process of going for a 12 month, multi entry visa, so getting the application ready for that.

    No, I do not teach english, maybe look at some online work, but later, life here is fairly cheap, and we have time to shop for bargains, etc.

    Thanx for asking Mil, cheers

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    Post by rugbyboy on 22/06/12, 12:59 pm

    I have seen the 10 yr card. it has Indefinate leave to remain on it photo and on the back it has a chip similar to bank card.
    So is this replacing the sticker in passport?
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    Post by handyal on 23/06/12, 12:16 pm

    No it is not replacing the Vignette in the passport.

    If you look at your wifes passport, it will state on her Entry Visa the reason for her entry to the UK. In the case of a British citizen married to a Chinese citizen the reason (type of visa) will state 'Spouse/CP of Mr (your name).
    This means she was allowed entry as your wife to settle in the UK.

    Later when she has met the conditions for ILR she is issued a new Vignette type visa which will state 'Settlement' and 'Indefinate Leave to Remain'.

    Your wife's friend would have entered the UK under a different type of Visa, 'Student', 'Work', or entered through the EU. She would need to complete 5 years residency to meet the conditions for ILR and be issued a Biometric Residency Card (10 year validity), just like a passport.
    You need to see her passport and her type of Entry Visa to the UK to establish the category she applied in - but it wasn't a the spouse of a British citizen even if she is now married.

    There are many different types of Visas which fall into different categories.
    Once allowed to enter the UK, the rules and conditions vary for each category in order to gain ILR, but the rules must be followed for whichever category you applied in.

    Some migrants are allowed ILR after 2 years residency and get a Vignette in their passport which is a permanent residency visa. Others have to be resident for at least 5 years and get a Biometric residency card.
    Cards are valid for 10 years then new photos etc are taken to update a new card just like the process for passports.

    If you have been reading this topic;
    http://nanninginfosite.editboard.com/t3053-more-immigration-rules
    Biometric cards could become the norm for the future for all non EU residents.

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