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    UK Biometric ILR Resident Card - EU Travel

    Post by makem on 10/07/12, 06:32 pm

    Now the UKBA have started issuing Biometric Cards to our wives I am beginning to wonder once again if these will ease our travel in the EU.

    It seems so unfair that these documents also may not recognized by the EU for travel.

    If anyone has any recent knowledge in respect of Schengen Visa applications and the new Biometric Cards, please post it here.

    I am planning a 2000 mile tour of the EU (mainly Germany) when we get our new car in Sept/Oct, by which time Han may have her BC. I have emailed the German Visa Application Center to raise the question and await a reply.
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    Re: UK Biometric ILR Resident Card - EU Travel

    Post by handyal on 10/07/12, 08:02 pm

    They will not be recognised for EU travel, because they are a Biometric card for use in the UK only, issued to non EU citizens.

    Although the UK is part of the EU, it has its own border controls, that is why it was never a member of the Schengen Treaty.

    All non EU citizens must have a Visa of one kind or another to cross our borders.
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    Post by makem on 10/07/12, 08:18 pm

    Yes, I am aware of that. I am just hoping, fingers crossed that the EU Member States may recognise the BC as effectively being the same as the the Card the UK issue with the required wording.

    It seems so stupid to insist on a particular set of words as being the criteria for entry visa free or not now we have BC cards. All the EU are interested in is that the person has some form of UK residency and is likely to return there. What better proof can you have than a BC?
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    Post by handyal on 10/07/12, 08:43 pm

    It is not easier for a non EU citizen to travel to the UK, than it is for a non EU citizen to travel to the EU.

    If they live in the UK they need a Schengen Visa to enter the EU.
    If they live in the EU they need a Family Permit to enter the UK.

    Only EU citizens will hold an ID card or passport with the relevant wording, so they can exercise their right of free movement within the EU.
    Their non EU wife needs a Visa to enter the UK.

    This will not change. In fact if the Schengen agreement is disolved, as many are suggesting, a sepeate Visa would be required for each Country visited.
    Now that would be a pain for us in the UK.

    Even the UK is talking about a referendum to seperate from the EU again.
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    Post by Robert on 11/07/12, 10:10 am

    If your wife as a foreign passport from a country which is not an member of the European Union she be classed as a foreign citizen, subject to each 27 members own immigration regulations for entry from outside European Union to that country in question.

    It will only change when the 27 members of the European Union recognises each member's I L R visa or Biometric Cards and allow them to travel throughout the European Union, which as about as much chance as UK joining the Euro

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    Post by makem on 17/07/12, 09:32 am

    Does any wife have a UK Biometric Card?

    I need a scan of one.

    I have been emailing the Visa Service with a view to finding out if the new card could replace the wording currently required to avoid the need for a Schengen Visa.

    They have asked that I send them a scan of the passport and card to enable them to be sure of their facts.
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    Post by Robert on 17/07/12, 10:45 am

    Eric.

    Sorry cannot help you my wife doesn't have a UK Biometric Card.

    Am rather surprised that there asking you for a copy of the passport and card to enable them to be sure of their facts, don't they know what they put on their own cards I think they giving you the runaround.

    To avoid the need for a Schengen Visa I don't think civil servants can make this decision without a political decision not just from the British Government but the European commissioners as well, as we are not members of Schengen scheme would we be allowed to dictate changing the rules.
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    Post by makem on 17/07/12, 01:44 pm

    Robert wrote:Eric.

    Sorry cannot help you my wife doesn't have a UK Biometric Card.

    Am rather surprised that there asking you for a copy of the passport and card to enable them to be sure of their facts, don't they know what they put on their own cards I think they giving you the runaround.

    To avoid the need for a Schengen Visa I don't think civil servants can make this decision without a political decision not just from the British Government but the European commissioners as well, as we are not members of Schengen scheme would we be allowed to dictate changing the rules.

    The Visa Service I refer to is the one who now deals with all Schengen Visa applications from the UK and quite a few other countries, mostly old commonwealth.

    They want to compare the wording on the Biometric Card with the Schengen Visa required wording "Spouse of an EEA member" rather than "Spouse of makem" although makem is an EEA citizen.

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    Re: UK Biometric ILR Resident Card - EU Travel

    Post by handyal on 17/07/12, 06:31 pm

    Your not an EEA citizen in your own Country.
    Therefore your wife cannot be the Spouse of an EEA member in the UK

    Your only an EEA citizen when you enter another EU Country.
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    Post by makem on 17/07/12, 11:07 pm

    handyal wrote:Your not an EEA citizen in your own Country.
    Therefore your wife cannot be the Spouse of an EEA member in the UK

    Your only an EEA citizen when you enter another EU Country.

    I don't agree. We have discussed this in the past. You are an EEA member wherever your bum rests.

    http://www.eionet.europa.eu/countries

    I am a UK citizen and the UK is a member state, therefore I am also an EEA citizen anywhere.

    I have an email from France which confirms what I say. If I find it I will post.

    You suggest that a Frenchman is not an EEA citizen in France, nor is a Dutchman in Holland.

    My suggestion is that the the BOP is recognised as taking the place of those required words. The reason I suggest this is because the vignettes are being phased out and replaced by BOP ID cards.
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    Post by rugbyboy on 18/07/12, 01:16 pm

    Hi Makem

    I have a photo of both sides of my wifes friends card on my Iphone can that help you
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    Post by makem on 18/07/12, 04:59 pm

    rugbyboy wrote:Hi Makem

    I have a photo of both sides of my wifes friends card on my Iphone can that help you

    Yes, I would appreciate a copy of both ty.

    I will PM my email addy.
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    Re: UK Biometric ILR Resident Card - EU Travel

    Post by makem on 14/08/12, 02:27 pm

    Even with the new Biometric Card Han will still need a Schengen Visa for every trip we make.

    So the authorities say after sending an example Card to them.

    All that trouble over a few words on a document Crying or Very sad
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    Re: UK Biometric ILR Resident Card - EU Travel

    Post by handyal on 14/08/12, 03:51 pm

    Unfortunately it's just one of the hurdles you have to overcome when you marry a non EU citizen. Life certainly isn't perfect or equal for all.

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