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    Post by makem on 21/11/12, 06:59 pm

    Han is applying (07/12/12) for a new Schengen visa as her current one ran out last month.

    I (as usual) made the online application via TLS and noticed some changes.

    1. They no longer accept postal applications.
    2. You must attend the TLS office by appointment. They examine and certify all the copies you provide.
    3. Biometric data is taken.
    4. They return all originals to you that day.
    5. You can return to collect your passport and BRP or if you pay, can have it posted.
    6. When you end the online application you are told the fees - about 22 for TLS and 48 for the visa.

    I intend to query 48 because last time it was free and unless the bliddy EU has changed things it should still be free.

    We are going to Amiens, France for 5 days (2 days traveling, 3 days static) over Xmas to visit the Xmas markets. We have a big car and two spare seats if anyone is interested in joining. We will do some research about WW1&2 also.

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    Post by Graham on 22/11/12, 06:21 am

    The WW1 & WW2 locations are quite interesting.
    However, they do get a bit boring or monotonous after a few.
    Just so many burial locations.

    Fay and I found that Dieppe was quite interesting, and reasonably colourful,where the bridges cross the river by Dieppe Maritime museum.

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    Post by makem on 22/11/12, 10:58 am

    Graham wrote:The WW1 & WW2 locations are quite interesting.
    However, they do get a bit boring or monotonous after a few.
    Just so many burial locations.

    Fay and I found that Dieppe was quite interesting, and reasonably colourful,where the bridges cross the river by Dieppe Maritime museum.

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    Thanks, we will visit there and Dunkirk. We are mainly going for the xmas markets and to get a 1 year Schengen visa because most of our documents will be disappearing to China soon and I need to give my new car a run out rather than pottering around town. We will not visit graves as we have done that in many places around the world (Vietnam ones are interesting - you will never see a South Vietnam memorial). I just want to get a 'feel' of the places, see the lay of the land (basic research). I would like to see a German war grave though as I want to see the wars through German eyes, see what they teach their children. Later we will tour concentration camps including Colditz.
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    Re: Shengen visa application changes

    Post by Derek on 30/11/12, 05:00 pm

    Hi Eric

    As you are aware Tina and myself, enjoy going to Madeira.

    Following on from your post. (no1) I have contacted the Portuguese Consulate in Manchester.

    For clarification on what documents Tina requires to apply for a Shengen visa.

    Response was, same as last time Marriage book and holiday booking.

    Cost of Shengen Visa free.

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    Re: Shengen visa application changes

    Post by Derek on 30/11/12, 05:07 pm

    Eric

    Forgot to mention before.
    At the Menin Gate Memorial at 20.00 each evening, the roads around are closed and buglers play the last post. Well worth a visit if you can make it.

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    Post by makem on 30/11/12, 07:38 pm

    Derek wrote:Eric

    Forgot to mention before.
    At the Menin Gate Memorial at 20.00 each evening, the roads around are closed and buglers play the last post. Well worth a visit if you can make it.

    Derk

    To far from Amiens for a day trip but thanks. We could call in there when we do the tour of Holland and Germany to visit museums and concentration camps.

    We will visit Dieppe and anywhere the hotel suggest but we are mainly visiting markets. All depends on the weather too.

    Going for Han's visa on Tuesday Smile Very simple procedure however the train fare is 44 Sad

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    Re: Shengen visa application changes

    Post by makem on 06/12/12, 06:02 pm

    Application made for the visa on Tuesday - 11.30 appointment turned out to be 12md due to the queue. 90 minutes later, money paid, fingerprints and photo taken and we left. 37 poorer. 8 was the DX fast return paid for the passport postage, the rest was the TLS fee plus VAT.

    At the check-in counter we had to show:

    1. Her passport
    2. Her BRP
    3. My passport
    4. Our marriage books
    5. Translation of marriage books
    6. Copies of each of the above (not certified as they check them for truth)

    You then watch the TV screen until her name comes up and go to the relevant number booth where everything is checked thoroughly.

    Each copy was stamped by them after checking. All original documents returned to you except of course, her passport.

    The required, (according to the online instructions) itinerary was not required.

    We were given the tracking number.

    Next you are sent to pay the cashier:

    7. Debit, credit card or cash. Small fee if credit card.

    Then on to sit watching another TV until fingerprint/photo time.

    Two days later an email was received which said that the French Embassy had returned the passport to the TLS who had sent is as arranged via the DX service we paid for. Tracking would be available the following day.

    We should receive the passport by Saturday. No idea whether the visa has been granted, however, as she has had one before and no concerns was raised, I expect all will be ok. (fingers crossed of course) The visa is valid for 1 year. Han's previous one expired 1 month ago.

    I gather that this office is the only one in England/Wales, (Scotland of course is different), for French Schengen visas. That means a long journey for Northerners as no postal service is available. Is there one in Manchester?

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    Post by Graham on 07/12/12, 04:07 am

    Very interesting Eric.

    How did you get on about Han's visa being "free and fast" due to her being married to an EU resident?
    Directive 2004/38/EC/ Freedom of Movement.

    Am I right in guessing this place you had to submit all Han's details was in London, ?

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    Post by makem on 07/12/12, 08:06 am

    Graham wrote:Very interesting Eric.

    How did you get on about Han's visa being "free and fast" due to her being married to an EU resident?
    Directive 2004/38/EC/ Freedom of Movement.

    Am I right in guessing this place you had to submit all Han's details was in London, ?

    Gra.


    Free: She didn't pay for the visa but did pay for the TLS Service

    Fast: Application Tuesday, visa on the following Friday or Saturday.

    Place in London:

    https://www.tlscontact.com/gb2fr/login.php

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    Post by Graham on 07/12/12, 09:39 am

    Well done Eric,
    Becoming a real master of visa's now.
    So you passed the documents in on Tuesday, and got them same week, or next week?

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    Post by makem on 07/12/12, 11:37 am

    Graham wrote:Well done Eric,
    Becoming a real master of visa's now.
    So you passed the documents in on Tuesday, and got them same week, or next week?

    Gra.

    Wa! who needs spoon feeding? Wink

    Application Tuesday, visa on the following Friday or Saturday.

    'Following' means the Friday following the Tuesday.

    Actually I just this minute checked the tracking with DX and they say delivery today (7th).

    Sorry, I forget in China you are nearly a day ahead so I should use dates:

    Tuesday 4th Dec. - Friday 7th Dec. That is a fast turnaround as it includes 1/2 day lost on first day (maybe even whole day) and 2 days lost returning the passport.

    They do recommend 15 working days be allowed for decision but when you phone them they are very helpful (use the National number not the 0845) and will tell you based on your application type what is the last minute to request.

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    Post by Graham on 07/12/12, 12:28 pm

    That is excellent service.

    Let's hope the Beijing French TLS have the same sort of service, when fay and I, plan our Europe vacation for 2013.

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    Post by makem on 07/12/12, 02:49 pm

    Passport duly arrived on Friday 7th Dec complete with a FOUR YEAR 90 day Schengen visa.

    I did ask at the time if every time we needed a visa, did she have to visit London to have her biometrics taken and was told, yes, she must. I was a little disappointed with the prospect of having to visit there every year as I thought.

    With the four year visa I certainly don't mind having to go there again in 2016 Very Happy

    It would appear that if you go for a day trip once, the second time you apply you could get a four year visa to visit anywhere in the EU over a four year period.

    Now we don't need a visa for Germany where we will spend a month, much longer than previous EU visits.


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    Post by Graham on 08/12/12, 03:52 am

    Hi Eric,

    So visa is good for 4 years, result.
    Hans stay in Shengen area is limited to 90 days each time.
    Can she return to UK for a day, and then ( if you wanted) return to Shengen area for another 90 days?

    I am thinking about the prospects of "wintering" down in southern Spain, for say a 4 - 5 month period.
    Which seems quite common.

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    Post by handyal on 08/12/12, 08:29 am

    Graham wrote:Very interesting Eric.

    How did you get on about Han's visa being "free and fast" due to her being married to an EU resident?
    Directive 2004/38/EC/ Freedom of Movement.

    Am I right in guessing this place you had to submit all Han's details was in London, ?

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    Hi Graham, just to clarify your point about Directive 2004/38/EC.

    A British citizen is NOT an EU citizen within his own Country. If you get a Schengen Visa for Fay to visit Europe that will not include the UK. You would need a Family Permit (available in Europe) for Fay to visit the UK because you are returning to your home Country the right of Free Movement wouldn't apply to Fay in the UK.

    In Eric's case Han already has ILR for the UK so can exit/enter the UK whenever she wants.
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    Post by chinatyke on 08/12/12, 09:33 am

    Just another thought. If you wintered in Spain, could you exit to Portugal and return to Spain and get another 90 days?
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    Post by makem on 08/12/12, 11:30 am

    I feel sure the answer to your question would be, no.

    For the purposes of the Schengen visa, the countries in the EU are considered to be one country, therefore you can only spend 90 days in the EU as a whole. (imo)

    As for leaving and entering again, I would think the answer would be yes. You could for example cross the border into Turkey near Edirne (what they call the EU part of Turkey)and return for another 90 days. You would need a multi entry Turkish visa too.

    I drove from Istanbul to that border where there are armed guards who you can chat to (my friend spoke Turkish), but they will not let you even step foot over the border. I just realised, I never did ask if the guards were Turkish or Khaskovo.

    You could do the same at the UK border if you had a UK visa.
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    Post by makem on 08/12/12, 11:34 am

    Graham wrote:Hi Eric,

    So visa is good for 4 years, result.
    Hans stay in Shengen area is limited to 90 days each time.
    Can she return to UK for a day, and then ( if you wanted) return to Shengen area for another 90 days?

    I am thinking about the prospects of "wintering" down in southern Spain, for say a 4 - 5 month period.
    Which seems quite common.

    Gra.

    If you want to stay for more than 90 days you can apply for a residence visa. Google the terms.
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 08/12/12, 12:48 pm

    Since you are an EU Citizen travelling outside your home country with your wife you could both apply for residence visas after staying in any EU Country for 90 days. In fact that is one route to bring a non-EU spouse to UK without having to apply for a Settlement visa. I know it doesn't apply to Eric but for others who want to bring a Chinese wife to UK one way is to work in EU for more than 90 days using your Treaty Right of free movement, get a residence visa, then apply for a family permit to move back to the UK with your non-EU spouse. However the family permit can take up to 6 months to be granted. See "Surinder Singh route".

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    Post by Graham on 08/12/12, 02:03 pm

    makem wrote:
    As for leaving and entering again, I would think the answer would be yes. You could for example cross the border into Turkey near Edirne (what they call the EU part of Turkey)and return for another 90 days. You would need a multi entry Turkish visa too.

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    Switzerland also I believe.

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    Post by Graham on 08/12/12, 02:07 pm

    davidmckendrick wrote:Since you are an EU Citizen travelling outside your home country with your wife you could both apply for residence visas after staying in any EU Country for 90 days. In fact that is one route to bring a non-EU spouse to UK without having to apply for a Settlement visa. I know it doesn't apply to Eric but for others who want to bring a Chinese wife to UK one way is to work in EU for more than 90 days using your Treaty Right of free movement, get a residence visa, then apply for a family permit to move back to the UK with your non-EU spouse. However the family permit can take up to 6 months to be granted. See "Surinder Singh route".
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    Hi David,

    yes, I see you have also read the alternative method.
    Surinder Singh route" is just an example, I have known a South African friend of mine, who was married to a UK girl.
    This is exactly what they did.

    They then lived in UK for some thing like 6 years, before they both moved back to his home country, of South Africa.

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    Post by Graham on 08/12/12, 02:10 pm

    handyal wrote:
    Graham wrote:Very interesting Eric.

    How did you get on about Han's visa being "free and fast" due to her being married to an EU resident?
    Directive 2004/38/EC/ Freedom of Movement.

    Am I right in guessing this place you had to submit all Han's details was in London, ?

    Gra.

    Hi Graham, just to clarify your point about Directive 2004/38/EC.

    A British citizen is NOT an EU citizen within his own Country. If you get a Schengen Visa for Fay to visit Europe that will not include the UK. You would need a Family Permit (available in Europe) for Fay to visit the UK because you are returning to your home Country the right of Free Movement wouldn't apply to Fay in the UK.

    In Eric's case Han already has ILR for the UK so can exit/enter the UK whenever she wants.
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    Hi Alan,

    Your 100% right.

    I am thinking that we will never settle in the UK, however we will certainly want to visit the UK for holidays.

    I am hoping Fay will get the required visa free of charge, and simply need to pay the VFS charges.

    I am pretty sure Fay will need a "Family visit visa" or family permit? , am I correct?
    Are they the same thing?

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    Post by handyal on 08/12/12, 05:54 pm

    Hi Graham,

    I stand corrected by my last post. Typo error, I should have said 'Family Visitor Visa', not 'Family Permit'.

    No, they are not the same thing:
    A 'Family Permit' is issued to an EU citizen who wants to bring his non EU wife to the UK. She must of course already have permission to reside in his EU Country.
    A 'Family Visitor Visa' is for a British citizen, or someone present and settled in the UK (residency status), who wants to bring his non EU wife into the UK.

    As an example: A German citizen who brought his non EU wife into the EU on a Schengen Visa could not visit his own Country. In Germany he is a German citizen. He could not bring her to the UK as we are not a member Country of the Schengen Treaty.
    He would have to go through the German Immigration procedure in order to get 'entry' permission for his wife to enter Germany (no different than we do here). Because she then had the right to enter/exit and reside in Germany with her German husband, he as an EU citizen could bring her to the UK on a 'Family Permit'.

    A 'Family Permit' is exclusive to an EU citizen who wants to bring his non EU wife to the UK.

    A'Schengen Visa' is exclusive to an EU citizen who wants to bring his non EU wife to Europe.

    All Europeans are classed as a 'national citizen' within there own Country, it's only when they leave their home Borders they are classified as an EU citizen.
    The UK though insist on having seperate Border controls to the rest of the EU, that's why they wouldn't sign the Schengen Treaty. They have recipicol agreements with Europe to allow the free movement of all EU citizens, but not their non EU Family members.

    The non EU wife of a German citizen can freely move around the rest of Europe (Schengen Treaty members) without the need for any other Visa, but not the UK.
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    Post by handyal on 08/12/12, 06:10 pm

    davidmckendrick wrote:Since you are an EU Citizen travelling outside your home country with your wife you could both apply for residence visas after staying in any EU Country for 90 days. In fact that is one route to bring a non-EU spouse to UK without having to apply for a Settlement visa. I know it doesn't apply to Eric but for others who want to bring a Chinese wife to UK one way is to work in EU for more than 90 days using your Treaty Right of free movement, get a residence visa, then apply for a family permit to move back to the UK with your non-EU spouse. However the family permit can take up to 6 months to be granted. See "Surinder Singh route".


    Your correct David, but that is a damn sight easier said than done.

    Your non EU wife does not have all the same rights as a non EU wife married to a British citizen.
    For one she can only remain in the UK as long as she is residing with her EU partner.
    An EU 'Residency Visa' and 'ILR' carry different Immigration conditions
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 08/12/12, 08:21 pm

    Hi Alan,
    After three years of residing in UK with her UK Citizen husband she could still apply for UK Citizenship by naturalisation if she had decided by then that she wanted to live in UK and didn't want to continue living with her husband. Which bypasses the ILR costs and conditions. It now takes 5 years of living in UK with her husband before she can apply for ILR....
    Of course these solutions are more difficult in practise than on paper but they are possibilities that Graham might explore if Fay really wanted to live in UK in the future... without going through the complexities of a Settlement visa.


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