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    Life in the UK test

    Post by Kev on 11/09/13, 01:42 pm

    Hi to everyone on the forum. Sorry I have been away so long, its been a very busy 2 years since I got married to Yen. We are currently working our way through the Form Set (M) and I hope you good people on here dont mind giving us some help and advice.

    1. Will Yen need to take both the life in the UK test and the ESOL with citizenship qualification or just one of them ?

    2. I am very confused with the Biometric Residence Permit. Is Yen applying for this when we send the form M in. Or should this have been completed and done before we send the form M in, and sent with the form.

    Many thanks for your help
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    Re: Life in the UK test

    Post by luckysteve on 11/09/13, 10:29 pm

    Hi Kev Smile.

    It all depends on when Yen arrived in the U K , see new rules below.

    From 28 October 2013, unless they are exempt, all applicants for settlement or naturalisation as a British citizen will need to meet the knowledge of language and life requirement by:
    passing the life in the UK test; and
    having a speaking and listening qualification in English at B1 CEFR or higher, or its equivalent.

    For details of the new requirement please see the Changes to the knowledge of language and life requirements for settlement or naturalisation document on this website
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    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsfragments/84-nigeria-settlement1

    In response to your second question please read this post .

    http://nanninginfosite.editboard.com/t3376-i-l-r-b-r-p

    Good Luck Smile

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    Re: Life in the UK test

    Post by davidmckendrick on 11/09/13, 11:54 pm

    My wife did the ESOL with citizenship material. She got a letter from her College to this effect. This meant that she was exempt from sitting the Knowledge of Life in the UK test as this was included in the Citizenship material.
    But to be safe, why not ask UKBA if you can get through to them on the phone. Or, which is probably easier, ask at the College where she studied the ESOL for the covering letter and whether this exempts her from the test. They already know what the rules are and how they are applied by UKBA to their qualifications and courses.
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    Post by Kev on 12/09/13, 08:00 pm

    Thanks Steve and David for the information.
    So am I correct in saying that after Yen completes the form M and applies for ILR she will then be sent a letter to have the Biometrics done.
    Sadly did not manage to get through to the UKBA today to ask if she needs to take both so will try again tomorrow.
    Many thanks
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    Post by luckysteve on 12/09/13, 08:33 pm

    Hi kev Smile

    When did Yen arrive in the U K Question.

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    Re: Life in the UK test

    Post by Kev on 13/09/13, 08:30 pm

    Hi Steve,
    1st November 2011.
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    Re: Life in the UK test

    Post by handyal on 14/09/13, 02:47 am

    Hi Kev,
    What date does her Visa expire?

    You can apply for ILR 30 days before the expiry date.
    If you apply any sooner your application will be refused and your money isn't returned.

    If you can apply before the 28th October then it is under the old rules.
    i.e. Proof of A1 language ability, plus proof of cohabitation together (listed on the form).

    If you apply after 28th October then it is under the new rules.
    i.e. Proof of B1 language ability AND the Life in the UK Test, plus proof of cohabitation together.

    After you make the application they will contact you for Yen to go and have her Biometrics taken.
    It does take a few weeks to hear anything so don't worry.
    I hope you don't have any trips planned as she could be without her passport for up to 6 months.
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    Post by Kev on 15/09/13, 07:59 am

    Hi Alan
    Yen's visa expires in January 2014 so it will be under the new rules. We are now just trying to find out if the English language certificate she has is good enough or if she needs another one.
    The current one was taken in Jan 2013 and is stamped from Sheffield Hallam University TESOL and has a validation stamp IELTS and also University of Cambridge ESOL Examinations written on it. Her results were
    Listening 5.0
    Reading 5.5
    Writing 5.0
    Speaking 4.5
    Overall Band score 5.0
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    Post by Kev on 15/09/13, 08:29 am

    Just a question about passports. Yen's expires in 2019 but her daughter Lucy's expires in March 2014. We will be submitting the application in Jan 2013 so what would you advise about Lucy's passport. Should we renew this now, and is that possible so far from the expirary date.
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    Post by Kev on 15/09/13, 08:52 am

    Does anyone have the best phone number for the UKBA in relation to me asking about Yen's current English Language certificate. Sorry for all the questions.......
    Many thanks
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    Re: Life in the UK test

    Post by handyal on 15/09/13, 08:24 pm

    Hi Kev,
    Check this link for Language reference equivalents.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

    IELTS 5.0 meets the B1 standard.
    However the UKBA only test on listening and speaking of which she has an overall score of 4.75 (which will probably just meet the B1)
    To contact the UKBA settlement enquiries;
    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/contact/contactspage/immigration/

    She can sit the LITUK test at your nearest Learning Direct centre but she needs to start practicing now. Hundreds of possible questions and answers. You can retake the test as many times as possible........and pay the fee as many times until she passes.

    British passports can be renewed and up to 9 months before expiry without losing that period. i.e. The 9 months is transferred onto the new passport.
    With Chinese passports I think you lose any remaining period.
    Personally I wouldn't bother replacing it until it's due.
    Don't bother paying to transfer the Visa to the new passport either.
    Most Chinese just carry the 2 passports, the old one with the Visa and the new one.
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    Post by Kev on 23/09/13, 09:26 am

    Thanks Alan.
    I am sure the English Language certificate Yen has is higher than B1 so we are ok there. She is making very good progress towards taking and passing the Life in the UK test.
    Would we need to send the Red marriage books in with the application for ILR, and if so would they need translating.
    Many thanks
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    Post by handyal on 24/09/13, 06:20 am

    Hi Kev,

    Download the Guidance Notes for Set M. This will detail all the documents you need to send.
    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/settlement/applicationtypes/applicationformset(m)/

    The Red marriage book should already be in Chinese and English.
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    Post by Kev on 25/09/13, 10:12 am

    "11B Spouses and Civil partners

    If you were last granted leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom as an unmarried or same-sex partner and
    subsequently during your probationary period you have married or entered a civil partnership with your partner, in
    addition to the relevant documents in 11A you must provide the following documents.
    Tick the relevant boxes to show what documents you are providing.
    They must be originals. You should photocopy each of these documents and provide copies in addition to the originals
    Your Marriage or Civil partnership certificate

    a) If you have been married or in a civil partnership before, document(s) showing that you were free to form a
    marriage or civil partnership with your present partner (see Note 9). List any such documents below.

    b)If your partner has been married or in a civil partnership before, documents showing that they were free to form
    a marriage or civil partnership with you (see Note 9). List any such document(s) below"

    Hi All, I am just getting a bit lost and confused with this part of the Set M form. I guess its just stress......ok what do I need to send. Is it a) Yens divorce papers from her previous marriage
    and b) my divorce papers from my previous marriage

    Or is all of the above 11B just not relevant to our situation because Yen entered the UK already married to me Question
    Thanks, confused
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 25/09/13, 10:27 am

    It is not relevant because you were married to each other before Yen arrived in UK.
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    Post by Kev on 25/09/13, 11:52 am

    Thanks David,
    so we would not need to have proof of marriage ie red books, or proof of past divorce because they would have that information from Yen's settlement visa application 2 years ago ???
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 25/09/13, 07:44 pm

    I have not read the SETM forms recently but from memory we had to prove that we had been living together under the same roof by providing bills etc in both names at the same address over the two year period. Doctor's appointments were also useful.
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    Post by handyal on 25/09/13, 09:26 pm

    davidmckendrick wrote:It is not relevant because you were married to each other before Yen arrived in UK.
    Agreed David.

    You don't have to prove you were divorced, but you still have to prove your still married and living together as married couple.
    If you don't supply your marriage books, how do they know if your married or not.
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 25/09/13, 09:37 pm

    The marriage books prove that you were married two years ago. The bills etc prove that you have been living together since then. UKBA are trying to catch out sham marriages that were legal but the couple parted after the ceremony.
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    Post by Kev on 26/09/13, 04:27 pm

    Thanks Alan and David, that all seems to make sense. Sorry to ask again but the Red marriage books, do you think the originals and photocopies would be ok or do the books need translating.
    When I finally got through to the UKBA the woman said to me " whats a red marriage book " .................I was hoping to speak to someone else after that but they were all busy.
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    Post by handyal on 26/09/13, 09:00 pm

    Our Marriage books had both Chinese and English text.

    How did you apply for Yens Settlement Visa if you didn't have an English translation?
    All Chinese documents must be translated into English for application purposes at the VFS.
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    Post by Kev on 28/09/13, 07:03 pm

    Hi Alan,
    The red marriage books do have English and Chinese text and we did have them translated for the settlement visa. The mistake we made was not to photocopy the translations and then not get the translations back after the settlement visa was granted.
    So would they now just accept the original red books, or red books and translation ?
    Many thanks
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