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    I.D Card and Birth Certificate, do dates have to match

    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 23/04/09, 07:54 am

    hi,

    hope someone can help with this, my future wife was born on the 11th of the month and this is shown on her birth certificate. but when they registered her I.D. card the first time years ago, the authorities put the date as 4th of the month. it has not needed to be changed as no one seems to flag this.

    i know we can get it changed but it can take 3 months, a lot of cost as well with changing other documents..

    i know I.D card is the document that is used for everyday needs if you need to prove who you are for hotel reservations/booking things, etc.

    just wondering if anyone had similar experience, and if it was a problem.

    thanks in advance
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    Post by Guest on 23/04/09, 08:06 am

    If no official as take no notice of it in China after all this time cannot see it been a problem it may be queried when you applied for a visa they may accept your explanations.

    Your wife's Chinese identity card is not really important in United Kingdom your wife birth certificate needs to be translated into English for various reasons for applying for different document or benefits etc.
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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 23/04/09, 08:16 am

    Robert, thanks for the speedy reply, appreciate it.

    i feel same way, after all this time should not be a problem. i will always explain situation to when applying for Visa in China, if we do not get ID card changed.

    the birth certificate i can see as being the legal document in the UK for my wife. and when she is here, can see ID card as irrelevant. So long as when applying for Visa authorities let us use 11th on the month.
    i will be getting her birth certificate and other documents translated into English.

    thanks Robert, for the advice,

    cheers
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 23/04/09, 12:41 pm

    I don't think my wife has ever mentioned her ID card while in the UK. She has just used her Chinese passport and marriage book to prove her ID. She uses her married name in the UK which is different from her birth certificate and passport but once they see the marriage books they accept the name change. Of course when booking flights she has to book in the name on her passport. When she gets her UK passport it will be in her married name so she will then have valid passports in two different names ....
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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 23/04/09, 01:57 pm

    thanks Al, for moving this to the correct section.

    David, interesting to read what your wife has done, previously when coming to the UK.
    helps a lot when you can get advice from someone who has been there, already.

    we have a few months as we are not planning to come back to UK together until 23rd December.

    once we have marriage books and combine with passport and birth certificate i am sure all with be ok with immigration.

    thanks
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    Post by handyal on 23/04/09, 10:28 pm

    Hi Ian,

    To have different dates of birth on documents is not uncommon in China.
    Her I.D. card is normaly used for everything.
    Many do not register births, or only register the birth when they can afford the certificate, and the date they registered is displayed, as opposed to the date they were born.

    In China, when they are born they are already 1 year old !!!
    They use the gregorian calendar, I think ?

    When applying for a Visa, the dates must match or it will cause a delay. My wifes ID has 5.4.1967. Her birth certificate had 23.4.1967. This was actualy the date her birth was registered.
    She went back to her hometown, place of birth, and got a new birth certificate, using her ID card to prove her DOB. It only took a few days to issue a new one.

    They do not worry to much about documents, as long as they have their ID card, and Household Registration Book, (hukou) they get by in China. 40 years ago they did not expect to move to the UK. lol.

    I recommend she gets a new Birth Certificate.
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    Post by davidmckendrick on 24/04/09, 07:05 am

    I had a friend in Kenya with the same problem. Her ID card showed different details from her birth certificate. So she went back to the village where she was born ( claimed her birth had never been registed, which is quite common in rural areas) and got a new birth certificate to match her ID card. Then she got a passport using the new birth certificate.
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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 26/04/09, 07:38 am

    hi Alan, cheers for the info Smile

    i asked and my lady says all her other documents, ID, passport, hk permit book, hukou all show the same date. only birth certiifcate is different.

    birth certificate is the correct date she was born. but will try to change this. we tried hospital but they won't change it to match all other documents.

    i will ask my lady to see if she can change/get new Birth Certificate using her ID card, Hukou and other documents.

    yes, they are 1 year old when born in China, and do use Gregorian calendar, thankfully.

    take care

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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 26/04/09, 07:42 am

    thanks David,

    i was actually thinking of going that route if they won't change certificate. try and get a completely new certificate using her current details.

    thanks
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    Post by handyal on 26/04/09, 04:10 pm

    Hi Ian,

    Or simply ask for a new one, as the original has been misplaced. Deny everything, and show ID card, and Hukou, as evidence. lol.

    Ling had the same problem, but never expressed any concerns on getting it replaced, other than having to wait a few days.
    Don't forget she will have to get this from her hometown of birth, where it was registered.

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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 26/04/09, 05:57 pm

    hi Alan,

    thanks, great idea about the misplaced Birth Certificate, she has all her other documents so easily can prove dates.

    we are ok, as Nanning is her hometown, so that is one good thing, so no travelling to get it sorted.

    it's funny, Chinese women are so practical and don't worry about things, it's me doing the worrying, lol!

    have a great sunday evening there Smile

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    Post by john on 27/04/09, 02:52 am

    Hi Ian

    My wife ID card shows her date of birth 16/08/75 but it should be 16/08/76
    she got a copy of her birth certificate' hand written with same details of the ID card,
    This is on a lined A4 size paper, not much info. But most important it's got the RED STAMP.

    Yes it is normal for ID cards not to match date of birth.

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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 28/04/09, 08:27 am

    hi John,

    i can understand them being a few days or a month out, but incredible they can get your wife's date of birth out by a complete year.

    so long as we can get a replacement, and the red stamp on it as well to make it legal, then we will be happy. we will just say the copy we have has been lost and need new copy.

    thanks John for the offer of help or advice by PM, i may take you up on that Smile

    cheers
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    Post by kraziman on 28/04/09, 10:26 am

    Red stamps are the "in thing" in China.

    They stamp everything.Even your Supermarket receipt.

    Best to get everything red stamped when doing your documents in China.

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    Post by john on 28/04/09, 10:49 am

    Yes the RED Stamps are a must for all Chinese paperwork,
    even if it was written on the back of a fag packet, as long as it had a Red stamp it would be okay!
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    Post by chinatyke on 28/04/09, 12:02 pm

    Sadako wrote:hi John,

    I can understand them being a few days or a month out, but incredible they can get your wife's date of birth out by a complete year.
    Ian

    My original birth certificate issued in the UK was TEN years out, 1936 instead of 1946 on the first entry where it says 'birth recorded in the district of...' It wasn't noticed until I went to see a registrar on a different matter. She said it didn't matter and a new certificate would be issued as it was an obvious mistake and everything else in the certificate had the correct date on it. I've still got a photocopy of it, maybe I can claim my pension 10 years early?

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    Post by davidmckendrick on 28/04/09, 06:11 pm

    Hi Graham,
    perhaps they were busy having a war between 1939 and 1945???? Laughing Laughing
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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 29/04/09, 04:35 am

    kraziman wrote:Red stamps are the "in thing" in China.

    They stamp everything.Even your Supermarket receipt.

    Best to get everything red stamped when doing your documents in China.

    Dave and Wu Ming

    hi Dave,

    everything does seems to be stamped, if there is a place for a stamp, its gets one.Laughing

    i spent one night at Hotel in Shenzhen on way to Nanning from HK, i got 2 receipts and 2 vouchers, all were stamped. lol

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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 29/04/09, 04:42 am

    john wrote:Yes the RED Stamps are a must for all Chinese paperwork,
    even if it was written on the back of a fag packet, as long as it had a Red stamp it would be okay!
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    hi John,

    surprising to me just how much is stamped, i mean the smaller things that here we would not bother with. most of the receipts are throwaway, yet they still get stamps on them.

    i really think there should be a new phrase for China 'if you see it, stamp it', lol

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    Post by Ian- Karen Mok Fan on 29/04/09, 04:44 am

    chinatyke wrote:
    Sadako wrote:hi John,

    I can understand them being a few days or a month out, but incredible they can get your wife's date of birth out by a complete year.
    Ian

    My original birth certificate issued in the UK was TEN years out, 1936 instead of 1946 on the first entry where it says 'birth recorded in the district of...' It wasn't noticed until I went to see a registrar on a different matter. She said it didn't matter and a new certificate would be issued as it was an obvious mistake and everything else in the certificate had the correct date on it. I've still got a photocopy of it, maybe I can claim my pension 10 years early?

    Graham

    Graham,

    don't forget the Free TV license and the extra heating allowance, you can claim them earlier too, if you were here, lol

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    Post by davidmckendrick on 29/04/09, 04:54 am

    I was born in March. My mum knew I was born in March. The problem was that when she filled in forms she thought March was the 4th month. Caused no end of confusion at school when the teachers insisted my birthday was in April...
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    Post by handyal on 03/05/09, 10:37 pm

    I asked Ling why so many birth certificates do not match their ID in China. Lings did not match, and I discovered her sons is the same.

    In China children do not officially start school until the age of 6, so they are under the parents feet, and if working they have to pay child care costs.

    Many therefore change the date of birth, so their children go to school a year earlier. Of course in China birth certificates are rarely needed as ID cards prevail as they get older.
    This happened in Lings case when she was a child, and again with her son. Lings son is 16, but is 17 according to his BC.

    This never seems to be a problem within China, until they want to leave the country, and need a Visa.

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